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Posted by StarForce49_xyi (VIP) 23 Jan 2005 12:54pm     



The formats are great with one suggestion. It makes a mockery of player records to have a 3 player tournament called a tournament and a single win after a bye to the finals being valued the same as a tournament win when all other tournaments require a minimum of 2 wins and as many as 5 or 6 wins before you get credit for a tournament win. I think that all tournaments should have a minimum of 4 players to be legitimately called a tournament and recorded as such. If there are only 3 players that are available to play then the TD may join and be the 4th to run this tournament. He/she retains his/her commission for setting and arranging and pays the entry fee as a player would. This thus adds credibility to a tournamnet win and also means at least two wins to win a tournament. It also means bigger prize money, a first and second place. The TD's duties can be perfomred easily with only one other game to be concerned with in the first round. In no other instance can a hosting TD participate in their own tournament. Only after waiting an extra minute with ony 3 players present does this option become possible. If a 4th player joins before the entry room is closed the TD cannot participate.

Consider this for the improvement of the tournament values and a much fairer % chance to win for all players concerned. A bye to the finals is such a huge advantage and is simply a lucky draw and not earned in any way. The TD playing rectifies this problem.

I am interested in your reply and any objections to that. As well, I would like to hear all the TD's opinion on this suggestion --good or bad.

Thank you.
This applies to all tournaments in game colony.


Hey Star
Posted by MAB 23 Jan 2005 2:16pm     


Always such a pleasure to view suggestions. You can be sure they are always well received.
As far as the WTA tourney is concerned some really want them. The choice is always left to those three players. There is absolutely no offense if one player votes 'no'. In the beginning all tourney with fewer than four players were cancelled. It was due to players request that WTA was 'created'.

Now for the td joining his/her own tournament. Can you imagine the reaction of some players if the director won the tourney?

The solution for this issue is simple. Given some time these tournaments will grow. We have an increasing number of players 'discovering' GameColony and our magnificant games. Soon they will try the tournaments and want to play them. You have already helped that process by helping to spread the word, Star.. Thanks so much.


It's ok
Posted by StarForce49_xyi (VIP) 23 Jan 2005 4:42pm     


Hi MAB. I can't imagine any player worrying about the TD winning a tounrament when he folows the same rules as everyone else meaning the smae game pts etc and just joining to be a 4th. Everyone would understand that it takes 2 wins to make a tournament winner if that was the rule. Much prefer that to a bye to the finals.

Hope others give their opinion. Thanks

Three players in a tourney ? Wow !
Posted by tempo_name (VIP) 23 Jan 2005 7:20pm     


I agree with StarForce. I can hardly see a tournament with only three players as being a legitimate tourney.

Even if the three players agree to play, it makes little sense to call that a tourney. Players might as well just play ladder matches, period !

If you really want to play the tournament anyway with only three players, I suggest to at least play a round-robin. I know that a round robin with only three players might very well end up all even. If it is the case, start it over. Sooner or later, one player will win his two matches. And then, he could say that he really won a tournament even if the turn out was very low !



My 2 cents for what it's worth
Posted by PEGASUS 24 Jan 2005 12:07am     


The WTA's are much better than the cancels we used to have when only 3 joined, and they have been well received by most. Some actually enjoy playing them and since it's an all or nothing vote no one should be bothered by the possibility of a 'one game to win'

Personally as a TD I would NOT want to play and host at the same time. It's not fair to the players even if there are only three. They should get the td's full attention.

Just my thoughts ..thanks for the discussion subject Star.

WTA
Posted by ajsx (VIP) 24 Jan 2005 6:19pm     


Hi Star, hope all is well. Yes 3 player tourneys are a bit annoying. but each player does have the option to firstly vote if they want to play if ONE player says no the tourney is scraped there and then. I now ask for PERSONAL MESSAGES so there is no pressure on each player. That way you should never have to play a 3 player tourney. Secondly, each player has the same chance of receiving that golden 'bye' to the final.
With regard to TDs playing the tourney, personally, as I have just started doing the TD job, I do not think that would be possible. Accepted there are only a couple of games so as long as EVERY PLAYER understands they will not get full attention that MAY WORK but the TD has to be on the ball. What would happen if someone went MIA and the TD was playing his/her game and could not time the MIA?
It would be unfair to expect the TD to pay to play, and they could not concentrate on the game for worrying about other things. I do however fully understand what you are saying and do fully accept it as a very valid idea.
Possibly, MAB or Peg may consider a 'pool' where players/TDs can be approached to play to m ake up the numbers. How possible that would be is anyones guess.
If its any consulation I used to feel 'obliged' to vote 'yes' if the other 2 did as I am not a person who likes to throw water on the fire.
As MAB says numbers are growing as are the tourneys. Why not get more people involved yourself? GC has a VERY good 'refer a freind' scheme from which YOU GET MONEY!
You raise some valid points STAR. TY and hope to see you at the BIG TOURNEYS! Lets hope the 3 player tourney naturally dies with the increasing number of players

ALLY - AJSX


Hello Mab
Posted by StarForce49_xyi (VIP) 26 Jan 2005 3:56pm     


thanks for the comments. The points made were the value of a tournament win vs all other tournaments as well as the unfair 'lucky draw to the finals'. Of course some people would want them becasue it means they might have a chance to win a tournament with only one win. Makes for a good record from a lucky break but it doesn't mean it is well earned as are the other tournaments needing a minimum of two wins and most with many more. Tempo's comments are that of someone considering it an honour and great achievement to win a tournamnet not a lucky draw and one win with no other opposition to face. It's more related to credibility of winning a tournament and the highest standards to do it--not the lowest or minimum standard.

Regarding the TD's comments. They know from experience and their input is really what counts. If they feel that with only one other game in progress that they can't play and 'take a minute ' to time the other board if missing in action, then that means something. From my uneducated point of view, that seems like one of the easiest things to do and to be excused for one minute to do it would be understandable and accepted if it means the tournament goes or it doesn't. If it happened to the TD playing me --I would be glad to wait aminute while he/she takes the steps and returns when done knowing full well that we have a tournament because the TD participated instead of having none at all or a tourney of only 3 and the luck of the draw bye to the finals. At least you have to beat two people instead of one to 'earn' the tournament win.

Thank You

tds playing
Posted by sam85 (VIP) 28 Jan 2005 10:23am     


i understand what is being said and ty for ur thought on this, but as to td playing to make 4 in .main problem with that say i join i playing u. at other table has a problem. the td is responable to see that game go ok if not how best to have a fair game .if i play i can not join that table without losing my game also the player would not be treated fairly by tdplay his or hers own game we are here to help u have fun, so for this we need to keep td rule in place to server are happy players.tyvm hope and wish the best fun while playing here at gc sam85 (td)

Tournament Suggestion
Posted by Screener (VIP) 28 Jan 2005 6:15pm     


I think a 3 player Tourny is not good also but if its going to happen each player plays off out of the 2 games if all the players are tied with one win and one lost then the player with the lesser pip count is the winner.. also about the BYEs. I dont feel its fair in anyway to have a BYE. I have had them a few times and its great but not fair on others. maybe thats why many dont play in tournys. I rememeber before a host has us play a point system. like a play off. just so that each player plays the same amount of games so that there is no BYES. yes it will take longer to play the Tourny but at least everyone has a fair start. or another way is now I'm sure not all players will like this but make it the players with the lesser win % gets the BYE. that would bring more players into the tourny room. knowing that they couhave a shot at winning a tounry over the top players

reply
Posted by ajsx (VIP) 29 Jan 2005 10:16pm     


Hi all in reply to TDs playing his/her own tourneys that simply is not an option. Even with 3 players there is still a certain amount of things to do and as ur playing for money there are also certain laws to adhere to. I certainly WOULD NOT want to play as I would be completely unable to give the game 100%.
Its a bit unfair to ask a TD to play in the tourney knowing they have to record MIA's check the other tbl make sure everything is running correctly and on top of that try to play a game. We would not ask u to play in a PAYING tourney whilst ur mind is on something else. It simply is unfair and not ethical.
With regard to bye's there are various styles of tourneys, on the single and double elims unless there is an exact number of players there is no other way, there will always be byes in that instance as with any other tourney anywhere in the world not just on GC thats why there is such a thing as a bye otherwise the term and meaning would not exist. With regard to playing every one for points etc there is such a tourney its called swiss style. Its not played a lot as its time consuming and complicated.
Remember TDs really do this job to give you the excitement and competition. There is very little in it for us other than to see players have fun and make their way up the ladder. That in itself is just reward for me.
The next time your in a tourney, calculate the prize winning, you will see a vast majority of the tickets are paid in winnings. The rest goes to GC for their expenses and a very tiny part goes to the TD.
All the points made are valid and deserve answers. But me for 1 I simply would not play my own tourney, i prefer to play when I can concentrate and not worry about other things. On top of that my competitors pay for the privilage to play and deserve my full attention at all times I simply would feel bad ignoring them and playing myself.
Hope this answers your questions. The good news is if u are unhappy about 3 player tourneys u need never worry or play one again, all u need to say is no and the tourney is abandoned.
TY for ur points and hope to c u at the tourneys take care all.

ALLY _ AJSX

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Posted by Screener (VIP) 30 Jan 2005 12:54pm     


Yes I have heard that the host of a tourny is not paid a lot...but in other site they don't get paid at all which I do not agree with. just a thought

no subject
Posted by gcuser1 23 Jan 2005 12:54pm     


no message

payments
Posted by ajsx (VIP) 31 Jan 2005 5:50pm     


When I started I did not realise we got anything at all! That is not a concern for me and i think I can speak for all TDs that none of us are particularly bother about payments.

I may not have made the point very clear sorry. What was meant is purely that you get a vast majority of the moneis paid back in prize money. GC basically take a very small cut to pay for the upkeep of the site. Which if u have ever run a large website is extremely expensive.

The debate was over the 3 player tourneys and I for 1 do not fancy hosting a tourney and trying to concentrate on a game too, its not very fair on the TD running the tourney. Thats all I meant sorry if I confused

Ally - AJSX

as a td and pay
Posted by sam85 (VIP) 1 Feb 2005 5:43pm     


for me i speak for self .even that we get a tip. i never hosted for a tix , i love to host to bring more players fun and a great time, that my payment it great to be apart of ur day of fun at gc .sam85

TIX
Posted by ajsx (VIP) 3 Feb 2005 7:44pm     


Yep agreed Sam, i joined the TDs but never even thought would get a tix or 2 for hosting too! Just wanted to get more people interested and playing the game
At the end of the day the more players that come to GC the more variation and fun thats available!! I would hardly join for payment! 1 tix for sitting for 1.5 hours! Na dont think so if that was a job I would shoot myself, we all do it out of the love for the games and interest in making people enjoy their spare time. Nothing more nothing less or at least thats what I do it for
Wait until the pool goes live!!!!! Now thats addictive LOL!!

Ally - AJSX

I agree--hehe
Posted by (VIP) 15 Feb 2005 1:20pm     


Many good points but if a TD cannot play then I agree with a minimum of 4 players to play in a tourney. That makes it two wins minimum to win a tournament. I agree with screener tempo and star. I have refused playing in three but many have to get a tournament win credit when it is the easiest--possibly only one win. WTA in a 3 player tournament is not much of a tournament if it takes only one win. We can play WTA in 4 or 5 or more players if players agreed for the excitement of a bigger prize with lower entry fee instead of the higher entry fees for the bigger prizes. Glad for the TD's opinions as they know whether they can play or not and feel comfortable.

CONGRATS
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